to go there, but obviously what it means to be poor in the united states is different than being in india. it's -- but i think the vast majority of people are still quite aspirational and would like a ladder up if offered one. >> that's the troubling thing. when you have this middle that wants to get on that ladder and the ladder keeps way from them. >> it has been a really rough period. like i said, especially for people, the unemployed, there are a lot of people who have been unemployed for a long time, a big chunk. and they lose ability to ramp back onto the labor force. that's a huge, long-run cost out of this whole financial crisis that worries me for the future. >> it's interesting, you know, he was -- wilbur ross was a supporter of mitt romney, but no matter who you talk to on the left, right, middle, no matter your political affiliation, everyone agrees education is such an important tool. an equalizer as we go forward here. >>, yeah i mean, education's not going to propel us ahead of asia and europe because they're saying the same thing, but education's become unequal for a numbe